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Post by Wonder on Oct 27, 2013 1:46:44 GMT
was this an oversight?
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Post by jtb on Oct 27, 2013 12:28:53 GMT
Seems like we could have at least 6 with having 12 teams. Maybe even 8.
I'm confident V will get this corrected.
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Post by voltaire on Oct 27, 2013 13:12:21 GMT
I'd intended for 4 playoff teams. That's why I set the schedule for 8 non-division games and 6 division games. That's 14 weeks of games. Then two weeks of playoffs.
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Post by jtb on Oct 27, 2013 15:26:05 GMT
Fine by me, If that was your intent.
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Post by Wonder on Oct 28, 2013 0:35:02 GMT
i guess. ive never done a 12 team league with only 4 spots so was wondering if that was intended or not.
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Post by heavy-set on Oct 29, 2013 12:41:23 GMT
i have only done 12 team leagues with 4 playoff spots, but never with 3 divisions. 12 team leagues turn into a league of haves and have nots pretty quickly, and if the wealth isnt evenly distributed, undeserving teams can get in without scoring a lot of points.
it not a perfect system, but its fair and how the cookie crumbles is how it crumbles.
at 7-1 and top scorer, i can see myself not getting in
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Post by Wonder on Oct 29, 2013 22:18:29 GMT
4 playoff spots leaves out a lot of good owners/teams.
4 is a nice number for 10 team leagues. 6 works best with 3 playoff weeks in 12 team leagues imo. evidence: if the league ended today, a 5-3 team who is 2nd in points scored would be left out while a 4-4 team makes it in. Granted this is more a product of having divisions but 6 playoff teams would work to ensure better teams don't get left out.
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Post by heavy-set on Oct 30, 2013 0:16:52 GMT
4 playoff spots leaves out a lot of good owners/teams. 4 is a nice number for 10 team leagues. 6 works best with 3 playoff weeks in 12 team leagues imo. evidence: if the league ended today, a 5-3 team who is 2nd in points scored would be left out while a 4-4 team makes it in. Granted this is more a product of having divisions but 6 playoff teams would work to ensure better teams don't get left out. 6 is too many, it lets in crappy teams. 5 teams will work. 3 divison winnners get a bye, next best record and highest scoring team can duke it out in a play in game. or next 2 best records or 2 top scorers. in the old days of the nfl (1980s) this is how it was done. are we reallly gonna play 14 weeks to eliminate 6 teams?
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Post by Wonder on Oct 30, 2013 0:25:49 GMT
4 playoff spots leaves out a lot of good owners/teams. 4 is a nice number for 10 team leagues. 6 works best with 3 playoff weeks in 12 team leagues imo. evidence: if the league ended today, a 5-3 team who is 2nd in points scored would be left out while a 4-4 team makes it in. Granted this is more a product of having divisions but 6 playoff teams would work to ensure better teams don't get left out. 6 is too many, it lets in crappy teams. 5 teams will work. 3 divison winnners get a bye, next best record and highest scoring team can duke it out in a play in game. or next 2 best records or 2 top scorers. in the old days of the nfl (1980s) this is how it was done. are we reallly gonna play 14 weeks to eliminate 6 teams? is 5 teams really any different than 6 teams? save for the fact the weakest division winner has to play in round 1? you're eliminating 1 more team and still having 3 playoff weeks. :dunno: to me its not so much about only eliminating 6 teams over 14 weeks as it is ensuring deserving teams don't get left out, as i noted in my example above. It is a very real possibility that a high win team with high points scored is going to be left out in favor of the weakest division champ.
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Post by jtb on Oct 30, 2013 0:47:15 GMT
We have a rule at our hunting cabin. If you bitch about the food.....you nominated yourself as the cook.
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Post by Wonder on Oct 30, 2013 4:06:03 GMT
im just debating the merits of 6 playoff teams with heavy set. not lobbying for any changes to our format.... also im a mean cook
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Post by heavy-set on Oct 30, 2013 10:38:02 GMT
6 is too many, it lets in crappy teams. 5 teams will work. 3 divison winnners get a bye, next best record and highest scoring team can duke it out in a play in game. or next 2 best records or 2 top scorers. in the old days of the nfl (1980s) this is how it was done. are we reallly gonna play 14 weeks to eliminate 6 teams? is 5 teams really any different than 6 teams? save for the fact the weakest division winner has to play in round 1? you're eliminating 1 more team and still having 3 playoff weeks. :dunno: to me its not so much about only eliminating 6 teams over 14 weeks as it is ensuring deserving teams don't get left out, as i noted in my example above. It is a very real possibility that a high win team with high points scored is going to be left out in favor of the weakest division champ. to me its different, it feels like the division winner actually won something and the 2 wild cards also won something. when you make sure someone doesnt get left out, someone else that isnt deserving might get in. i think the 3 and 2 is perfect. (for 3 division 12 team leagues) but, i play in another 12 team league that allows 6. the kicker here is that its an 11 week regular season. everyone plays everyone else once. its one big division. no weak divisions, or strength of schedule arguments. top 2 teams get a bye. if 6 get in, byes have to be part of the equation. especially when there is zero money involved.
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Post by penultimatestraw on Oct 30, 2013 23:03:44 GMT
4 playoff spots leaves out a lot of good owners/teams. 4 is a nice number for 10 team leagues. 6 works best with 3 playoff weeks in 12 team leagues imo. evidence: if the league ended today, a 5-3 team who is 2nd in points scored would be left out while a 4-4 team makes it in. Granted this is more a product of having divisions but 6 playoff teams would work to ensure better teams don't get left out. 6 is too many, it lets in crappy teams. 5 teams will work. 3 divison winnners get a bye, next best record and highest scoring team can duke it out in a play in game. or next 2 best records or 2 top scorers. in the old days of the nfl (1980s) this is how it was done. are we reallly gonna play 14 weeks to eliminate 6 teams? The problem isn't the 4-4 team that wins their division, but the lower-scoring team with a better record in the 2nd highest scorer's division. Scheduling is always luck of the draw, both in and out of one's division. I favor 4 teams in playoff: the three division winners + highest scorer (not necessarily best record) of the remainder.
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Post by voltaire on Oct 30, 2013 23:43:42 GMT
Oh, I gave the schedule a lot of thought, it's totally by design and not a mistake. As you recall, I deliberately monkeyed with it to make it this way because I don't like the default. It's why I had to override the system which is why I rewrote the schedule in week one. Your last three games of the regular season are all division opponents. Your first three should have been as well, but I was slow to the punch, so it was three of the first four games instead.
We have 11 opponents and either 13 or 14 weeks to play them all. So there's going to be two or three games where you play somebody twice. The default is like we do it in 12 Geeks- No divisions, the extra games on the schedule are decided at random. There's going to be a luck factor regardless.
With 12 teams, I like to put them in three divisions and a 14 week regular season, because there's mathematical beauty with it. You get two games vs. three division opposnents (six) and eight non-division games- six plus eight = 14 weeks. That's a full round robin with two matchups vs division opponents. And since I wrote the schedule manually, I put as many division games as I could on weeks without bye interference- meaning the first few weeks or last few weeks of the season but week one was already in the books so I couldn't use that.
What happens in a 14 week season though is that it's best suited for a four team playoff. You only have weeks 15 and 16 to work with unless you want to use week 17. Another option would be four divisions with three teams in them, I don't like that too much, but it would work well to support a 6 team playoff.
I like this way better. Yeah, one division may be weaker than that one, but you run into the same thing if you get lucky or screwed on which two extra teams you face in the default setting. Cult Classic is nice in that with 14 teams, you don't need divisions. Play everybody once (13 games) and have a three week window for a six-team playoffs. 12 makes you think more.
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Post by jtb on Oct 31, 2013 0:01:46 GMT
Thank fucking God I never volunteered to be a commissioner.
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